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Unread 05-18-2013   #1 (permalink)
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Default Kittens Died - Momma Won't Stop Meowing

I have a new momma cat who was relatively young when she got pregnant...before we had a chance to get her fixed. However, she did really well with the birth of 4 babies & took care of them very well. Until recently, all the babies seemed to be fine but 2 ended up dying and the other 2 were "ify." Ever since the first 2 died the momma has been meowing constantly! We can't get any sleep & she also does it during the day. She has plenty of food & water. Her litter box is kept clean. And she gets a lot of attention & has not been let out since having the babies. She also was checked by our vet just this past Tuesday and is in good health. I need help! I don't know what to do!!
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Most likely she is in heat again. Take her to the vet and have her spayed, and the two remaining kittens should be also be spayed/neutered as soon as they are old enough, at 2 pounds.
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Sad to hear about the kitties, the mommy surely is grieving. I agree with taking her to the vet but maybe try to place her and the babies in different place with new nest within the house so you won't hear much the voice and for her to somewhat not remember/smell the scent of the two..
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OMG! NEVER EVER NOT EVER spay or neuter under 4 months old! EVER! Not only is it not safe, it makes for behavioral issues as well!

Your cat is either grieving or in heat again and you need to have her spayed!
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Young kittens actually recover more quickly from spay/neuter than older ones. It is perfectly safe and doesn't affect future behavior or personality. It does prevent things like what happened in this thread from happening.

However my vet is on your side, she doesn't like early spays either. I don't agree with her on that. It is better to spay BEFORE the first heat cycle, which can come as early as 4 months.
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Young kittens actually recover more quickly from spay/neuter than older ones. It is perfectly safe and doesn't affect future behavior or personality. It does prevent things like what happened in this thread from happening.

However my vet is on your side, she doesn't like early spays either. I don't agree with her on that. It is better to spay BEFORE the first heat cycle, which can come as early as 4 months.
while i respect your opinion...having been a vet tech for many, many years...i speak from experience in what i have witnessed/seen. we never recommend spaying/neutering before 4 months. i don't think any "good, respectable" vet would...

the vet's advice should ALWAYS be taken. They (we) didn't spend so many years in school for nothing....
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I disagree that the vet's advice should always be taken without question, as different vets have different opinions on this and everything else. Many vets feel early spay/neuter is a good thing.

I think people should educate themselves and be informed when discussing things with their vets. Vets don't know everything and many vets are completely clueless. Your experience as a vet tech, while I'm sure it is valuable, does not mean you know everything either.
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well, thank you for putting me in my place. as a vet tech for years and currently in vet school...i'm sure you know way more than i do. you are actually the type of person who has made me NOT join sites like this. You refuse to believe that you DO NOT know the ins and outs of animal health and behavior. You think that because you have "had cats and have been around them" for a number of years makes you an expert. You discount my experience, knowledge, education and expertise....all because you think you "know better." Thank you for proving me right. NO ONE should take the advice of anyone but their vet when it comes to the health of their animals. PERIOD.POINT.BLANK.

You can have your site and keep it "ms. know it all." and go on spreading your ignorance....

i'm done with this site and all the others....You are the type of person who proves to me everything that is wrong with this country these days....
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You're right, unless you learn how to accept that other people think differently from you sometimes, you will not do well in any on line pet community.

You've made a lot of unfounded assumptions about me. I don't claim to have all the answers, I am always trying to learn more, and since knowledge is ever changing I have often had to change my mind about beliefs I once held firm.

But before I return the favor I will point out again that vets don't know everything just because they went to vet school. Some vets had to be at the bottom of the class.

Another example is vets who push those horrible "prescription" foods. Or vets who push unnecessary vaccines.

Many people these days prefer to take an active role in their pet's health rather than just accepting everything a vet says. They work as a TEAM. Fortunately many vets welcome this. I hope, when you become a practicing vet, you do not become what you sound like now, full of self importance and "I know more than you" simply because you hold or are pursuing a degree.

My vet and I work as a team in my cats' health care. While I have learned a lot from her and trust her judgement when it comes to diagnosis and testing, I know tons more about feline nutrition than she does. Why? Because she wasn't taught anything except to feed horrible kibble crap to animals, when she went to vet school, where as I have done hours and hours of research about feline nutrition and the horrible things that are in pet food.

My vet is learning from me, and, in fact, takes notes when I am there with my cats, when we talk about nutrition. A vet who admits they don't know everything...that's a good thing.

I deferred to her on delaying the spay of my kitten. And what happened? My kitten had an early heat. So that means my cat is at a higher risk for breast cancer later in life, because she had to go through a heat cycle.

I hope as you grow up you will learn that there is more than one way, your way, of looking at things. It's not all just black or white.
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I have known acerlt for many years from this and other forums. If she sounds like a know it all it is because she does, in fact, know it all. Or at least as much as there is to know. I know of no one who has done more research on the care and feeding of cats. Of course you can take her advice or leave it but I tend to take it. I have had vets tell me to feed dry food to my cats for one reason or another (they sell the food) and that is the very worst thing you can do for a cat. So vets don't know everything, they learn about a wide array of animals an only about cats in general. I tended to wait longer and had kittens spay/neutered at around six months. I don't know if I would spay the mother until the kittens are ready to be weened. I had to have a feral mother spayed just as the kittens were starting to eat solid food because that's when I was able to finally catch her after a year or two of trying. After she was spay she didn't ever go back to care for the kittens.
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